Sarah Palin: Worst person EVER considered for VP?

[Kosmo]

Come on, my Republican friends.

You can't REALLY think she is qualified. Have you SEEN the witchdoctor videos? Have you SEEN her jesusfreak speeches to her scary megachurch? The pipeline is God's will etc.?

Why are so many Republicans responding to her because she's "just like them"? Why would you want someone no smarter than yourself to be president?

She's not even nearly the most qualified republican woman.

Come on. Admit you are just toeing the party line. Like all of my black friend who had to pretend they though OJ was innocent. You don't really believe in Caribou Barbie for REAL, do you?!?

[Katie]

Come on, my Republican friends.

You can't REALLY think she is qualified. Have you SEEN the witchdoctor videos? Have you SEEN her jesusfreak speeches to her scary megachurch? The pipeline is God's will etc.?

Why are so many Republicans responding to her because she's "just like them"? Why would you want someone no smarter than yourself to be president?

She's not even nearly the most qualified republican woman.

Come on. Admit you are just toeing the party line. Like all of my black friend who had to pretend they though OJ was innocent. You don't really believe in Caribou Barbie for REAL, do you?!?

LMAO Thanks for putting that out there Kosmo!

On a side note, I heard the other night when being interviewed my Katie Couric, Palin was asked about dealing with foreign policy. Apparently because Alaska is close to Russia, she knows how to handle foreign policy. I didn't see this for myself, only hearsay, but it did make me laugh...very hard.

[Alaric]

/yawn

[kyleh]

Both sides are pretty crazy. I'd prolly vote against Obama either way though since I'm not a big fan of socialism and I don't much approve of current democratic hippy-talk.

Unfortunately I also won't vote against gay marriage and abortion, since I don't care what other people do with thier private parts and appreciate my freedom to do what I want with mine.

Presidential candidates just start at crazy and get crazier though, so there's no way I can vote at all with a good concience. Things are never going to get better, and it really doesn't matter in the long run anyway. Entropy ftw.

[Kosmo]

No fair, Kyleh, I can't jump all over you because you just helped me with my registration!! :)

socialism . . . grr. . . . typical hypberbole . . . luckily I never exaggerate anything when I criticize republicans, ever . . .

[kyleh]

No fair, Kyleh, I can't jump all over you because you just helped me with my registration!! :)

Jump away! Everybody here knows I love a good clean argument. :D

[anthonyX]

When has there been a good VP anyways? It is all for media show and once the VP debate dies down no one really cares. The only time a VP makes news is when he shoots someone, spells something wrong, invents the Internet or has an affair (or family problems).

I have to agree with you Kyleh its about socialism vs social issues. The real mess happens when Congress convenes.

[Kosmo]

Anthony, it matters this time. Look at an actuarial table. We have to proceed on the assumption that Caribou Barbie will be President. And she believe she is God's agent in helping to bring about The End Times. And as President she'll have the tools to do it.

[Kosmo]

PS Fire departments are socialized. Police are socialized. Highways are socialized. All corporate bailouts are socialism, and last time I looked, it was an evangelical Republican president pushing for the biggest bailout in history. Why is Bush not a socialist but Obama is? You make no sense.

[zauggru]

Bush is Socialist

Obama is Uber Socialist.

[Alaric]

Kosmo, why are you trolling? Seriously?

Do you hate Palin and want to tell the world how you feel? Okay. Acknowledged. Nobody really cares.

Do you want to have an intelligent conversation and persuade people that she is not a good choice? Nah, couldn't be that. Your tone and your word choices rule that out.

Do you just want to troll, create drama and tell the dumb republicans just how dumb they are next to your enlightened self? Okay. Another triumph. You win. Palin is bad. Too bad there isn't anyone good to vote for.

[Angus McFeargus]

I like her. Guess that makes me dumb, huh? It sure as hell makes me unpopular on the Interwebs.

I can't seem to find, though, where she said she's God's tool to bring about the End Times. Maybe that interview is over on thedailykos?

[OmegaBob]

I like her exactly for the reasons why some people dislike her.

I like her for the very reasons why the nUb Matt Damon dislikes her.
lhuoERT3tbA
Dinosaurs? Seriously?

Also, I'd be scared of Biden being President. Ugh!

Finally, even if the info about her religious beliefs are true.... I seem to recall that same complaint being leveled against President Kennedy. What was the quote? Tunnel or direct line to the Vatican?

[Kosmo]

Sorry Alaric, I thought this was the Heated Discussions forum. I didn't realize it was the Heated Discussions Only If Approved By Alaric forum. My mistake.

What was unintelligent about my post? I maintain that every thing I said in my post is true.

Why is it trolling to want to talk about the fact that this country is about to go down the rabbit hole and have a science-denying, constitution-bashing, witch-hunting, lying failed beauty queen as the ****ing President of the United States?

Are you going to label anything you disagree with in Heated Discussions at "trolling"? I would suggest that you are not getting into the spirit of the forum, and I will thank you to argue with me all you want, but I am uninterested in hearing you self-righteously judge what I'd like to talk about.

[kyleh]

PS Fire departments are socialized. Police are socialized. Highways are socialized. All corporate bailouts are socialism, and last time I looked, it was an evangelical Republican president pushing for the biggest bailout in history. Why is Bush not a socialist but Obama is? You make no sense.

Sure, it makes perfect sense if you don't assume I'm arguing FOR anybody, but only AGAINST somebody. heh

I definitely don't like the corporate bailouts. I read contracts before I sign them, so I'm in no danger of losing any of my assets. I don't really see how it's my problem that other people get into debt they can't reasonably pay for.

Of course, it's going to be my problem either way. I'm either going to be paying 50% income tax to pay for corporate bailouts or welfare. Lose/lose ftl.

[gorilla325]

i don't see why sara palin could not face Putin... it's an american way... haven't you watched Rocky?

[Chip]

or read the Constitution?

She has been both a mayor and a governor. What makes her unqualified? Be careful what you say because most of your comments could also apply to democratic VP's of the past as well.

[zauggru]

I'd rather have an inexperienced VP than an inexperienced President.

[Angus McFeargus]

Well, yes, when you start your thread by already dismissing and insulting the opposing viewpoint, that's pretty much trolling. :)

[Kosmo]

Okay, guys, so prove me wrong! Explain to me how she's ready to lead! I'm listening!

[Chip]

Okay, guys, so prove me wrong! Explain to me how she's ready to lead! I'm listening!

Considering your opening post, seriously would anything we post sway you?

Why not read up on her here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

[Katie]

I think both sides have their up's and down's just like every other election. I always look at it as voting for the lessor of the two evils really. I think that's just politics. 2 years or 50 years of experience, I'm going to vote for whoever represents what I believe a government should or should not be doing. I firmly believe in what this country was founded on, separation of church and state. I firmly believe that there shouldn't be laws in place that push ones personal beliefs on another. I think Palin is one to put her personal beliefs in laws, but that just goes with the Republican party in general. To me, gay marriage especially is not for the government to decide. Everyone deserves to live life in pursuit of happiness in accordance to their personal beliefs (so long as it doesn't include hurting someone else), not according to what someone else believes. The economy needs major help. I read an article on CNN, and when they polled economists on whose plan was better, every economist voted for their party of course, but all the independents voted for Obama's plan. Yes, it's scary that McCain could be on his death bed right now ready to turn this country over to Palin. I don't really think someone as old as he should be running for president. If he's in good health now, all the stress from running a country will put someone in bad shape quick. I admire Palin for getting this far, but like a lot of people I don't feel I've even heard enough from her. Reporters everywhere have complained that the republican party has purposely been keeping her under wraps. I didn't like Hilary, but between the two women, I would have taken Hilary over Palin any day. Hands down, between the two you couldn't argue about experience, Hilary has Palin beat on that by far. I am bothered however by the fact that Palin has brought up library censoring. I know it's never been done because of her, but it bothers me she supports it. I don't feel like plunging into the dark ages again.

And just on a side note, am I the only one that gets really mad about blue laws, like stores can't sell alcohol on Sundays. I think that might just be a southern thing.

[Chip]

I think Palin is one to put her personal beliefs in laws, but that just goes with the Republican party in general.

But her voting history while mayor and governor do not support this. What Republican has supported a law for state run religion? Having faith and mentioning God is not the same. even the Constitution mentions a creator.

To me, gay marriage especially is not for the government to decide. Everyone deserves to live life in pursuit of happiness in accordance to their personal beliefs (so long as it doesn't include hurting someone else), not according to what someone else believes.

Marrage is a religious cerimony between a man and a woman. That is my belief and that is the history of the term. if two people of the same sex with to have a civil union then I am all for it but it is not a marrage in the traditional sense and meaning of the word. As a republican, that is my belief.

The economy needs major help. I read an article on CNN, and when they polled economists on whose plan was better, every economist voted for their party of course, but all the independents voted for Obama's plan.

Paying more taxes makes you more of a patriot: Joe Biden
So business owners are going to be taxed more, which they are already being taxed more than just about any country in teh world. Any wonder why they are moving businesses out of the US. Obama has even said that in teh currant environment, before this whole mess exploded, that his tax plan would not work. Personally, I am for neither. I prefer the Fair tax.

Yes, it's scary that McCain could be on his death bed right now ready to turn this country over to Palin. I don't really think someone as old as he should be running for president. If he's in good health now, all the stress from running a country will put someone in bad shape quick.

True to a point and the point is you don't know. No one does. When it is your time to go then it is your time to go. No one has the crystal ball. after all we have had Congressional members reach almost 100 and maybe a little over.

I admire Palin for getting this far, but like a lot of people I don't feel I've even heard enough from her. Reporters everywhere have complained that the republican party has purposely been keeping her under wraps.

As opposed to Hilary and Obama? reporters complained about the same thing but only seems to be an issue when it is a Republican.

I didn't like Hilary, but between the two women, I would have taken Hilary over Palin any day. Hands down, between the two you couldn't argue about experience, Hilary has Palin beat on that by far.

I am not the biggest fan of her however I do believe that the DNC screwed her when both Michigan and Florida votes were not permitted. That is also digraceful that the DNC would tell people that thier votes don't count. Why anyone would support a party like that or at least voice some outrage over it is beyond me.

I am bothered however by the fact that Palin has brought up library censoring. I know it's never been done because of her, but it bothers me she supports it. I don't feel like plunging into the dark ages again.

She never said she supported it. She just asked a persons opinion and like you said, it has never been done. that is really a non issue. Issues for or against should be based on what a person has done, not what a person has not done.

And just on a side note, am I the only one that gets really mad about blue laws, like stores can't sell alcohol on Sundays. I think that might just be a southern thing.

Before a certain time you mean? There are northern areas that have that as well. Usually it is communitee standards which change from city to city or county from county.

[Kosmo]

Chip:

Marriage is a legal contract and you know it. No gay rights activists are asking the government to force homophobic churches to perform marriage ceremonies. They simply want the same legal contract that straight people have, and the government doesn't call that contract a "civil union," it calls it a "marriage." And no, it wouldn't be okay to call unions of gays "civil unions." The Supreme Court's decision in Brown vs. The Board of Education of Topeka Kansas established the principal that "separate but equal is unconstitional."

And you're wrong that marriage has always been a religious union between a man and a woman. In the Bible most of the marriages mentioned are between a man and several women. Even the good guys. And many times in history marriage has been a legal union ONLY, with no religion involved at all. So that argument doesn't fly.

Notice NO ONE has responed in this thread by explaining to me how Sarah Palin is qualified to be President of the United States.

Chip?

Note to Alaric and Angus: Note please how Chip and I are disgreeing completely with each other without resorting to personal attacks!! Cool, huh?

[Chip]

Chip:

Marriage is a legal contract and you know it. No gay rights activists are asking the government to force homophobic churches to perform marriage ceremonies.

It is only a contract when it is recognized by the government.
Actually, they do. With teh cases brought by the ACLU towards churches and states trying to forcing them to perform and recognize same sex marriages.

They simply want the same legal contract that straight people have, and the government doesn't call that contract a "civil union," it calls it a "marriage." And no, it wouldn't be okay to call unions of gays "civil unions." The Supreme Court's decision in Brown vs. The Board of Education of Topeka Kansas established the principal that "separate but equal is unconstitional."

The Brown case was concerning racial segragation, not sexual orientation acceptance or marriage.

And you're wrong that marriage has always been a religious union between a man and a woman. In the Bible most of the marriages mentioned are between a man and several women. Even the good guys. And many times in history marriage has been a legal union ONLY, with no religion involved at all. So that argument doesn't fly.

I stand partially corrected however it is still generally not performed for all of the same sex. Not long ago a woman "married" a dolphin and in years past people have been know to "marry" thier animals. You would call this a "marrige". People have been twisting the meaning of the word to fit thier own belief that it has lost its meaning.

Notice NO ONE has responed in this thread by explaining to me how Sarah Palin is qualified to be President of the United States.

I did and she has more qualification that Obama but she is not running for President. It is just teh VP position. Before you start blah blah foot in grave blah blah just remember that Palosi was 2 beats from the Presidency. After all Cheny's health hasn't been that great and yet he is still alive and kicking.



Note to Alaric and Angus: Note please how Chip and I are disgreeing completely with each other without resorting to personal attacks!! Cool, huh?

Just remember, it is the thought that counts :censored: ;) :D

[kyleh]

I don't really know anything about Palin other than the fact that she has a daughter that's pregnant out of wedlock. If we are going to have an ultra-right jesus freak up there near the top ranks, it's kind of nice to have one who obviously can't even enforce family values in her own home. How far can her legislation really go? :D

I don't even see how the gay marriage debate can still be a debate. 50 years ago it would have been illegal for me to be married to my wife, so I guess that gives me a somewhat unique perspective.

[Kosmo]

PS to Chip:

Thanks for the wikipedia joke, btw. Funny! You of course know she wrote the wikipedia entry on herself . . . herself.

[Kosmo]

PS As far as I know, the ACLU is not a gay rights group.

[Kosmo]

"I stand partially corrected however it is still generally not performed for all of the same sex. "

Not long ago it "generally" wasn't performed for persons of different races. That dog don't hunt.

For the record, I personally do not believe in forcing homophobic churches to perform any marriages they don't want to. I don't know any gay people who want that, either. And I live half a block out of West Hollywood. :)

And I stand by one heartbeat blah blah blah. Why couldn't McCain have picked Elizabeth Dole? Love her.

Let me bring it down to earth. Why do you think YOU should have the right to marry the consenting adult that you love but I don't? Are you a better person than me? [Alaric, don't answer that.] More deserving of basic civil rights? And if your objection is religious, of course you understand that in a country that constitutionally prohibits laws being passed that support a particular religion, that the religion thing is not an appropriate argument. I'm sure you don't think the government should legally force your religion on me.

If you don't like gay marriage, my best advice to you would be, if you should marry again, make sure it's not to a person of the same sex. Why should you even care who I marry, as long as it's a legal, consenting adult? What's it to you? It affects you in absolutely no way.

It's not the government's role to make sure that people's religious sensibilities aren't offended. They DO have countries where that IS the government's role, but the constitution prohibits that here, thank Allah.

[Chip]

PS to Chip:

Thanks for the wikipedia joke, btw. Funny! You of course know she wrote the wikipedia entry on herself . . . herself.

I do not know who entered the information and why would it matter when the information is correct and backed up by links in teh notes field?

Again, Sarah Palin has more experience than Barak Hussein Obama. So, what makes you think Obama has the experience to be President?

[Chip]

"I stand partially corrected however it is still generally not performed for all of the same sex. "

Not long ago it "generally" wasn't performed for persons of different races. That dog don't hunt.

Sexual orientation bias is no where near the same as Racial Discrimination. One is based on the color of your skin and heritage and the other is based on something you do in teh privacy of your own home. It is not the same.

For the record, I personally do not believe in forcing homophobic churches to perform any marriages they don't want to. I don't know any gay people who want that, either. And I live half a block out of West Hollywood. :)

I wish all were like that but there are extremist on both sides of teh isles.

And I stand by one heartbeat blah blah blah. Why couldn't McCain have picked Elizabeth Dole? Love her.

I actually voted for Romney and had hoped he would atleast get the VP nod.

Let me bring it down to earth. Why do you think YOU should have the right to marry the consenting adult that you love but I don't? Are you a better person than me? [Alaric, don't answer that.] More deserving of basic civil rights? And if your objection is religious, of course you understand that in a country that constitutionally prohibits laws being passed that support a particular religion, that the religion thing is not an appropriate argument. I'm sure you don't think the government should legally force your religion on me.

If you don't like gay marriage, my best advice to you would be, if you should marry again, make sure it's not to a person of the same sex. Why should you even care who I marry, as long as it's a legal, consenting adult? What's it to you? It affects you in absolutely no way.

It's not the government's role to make sure that people's religious sensibilities aren't offended. They DO have countries where that IS the government's role, but the constitution prohibits that here, thank Allah.

You are aware that the foundation of many of our laws are based on religious teachings. I think you do misunderstand what I am saying. I am not opposed to people having the same rights however once you make marriage a law then every church must provide the service even if it is against there own teachings. In essence you will be forcing people to do what they do not want to do or they will face legal action.

[kyleh]

McCain obviously believes in the sanctity of marriage as long as nobody gets disabled in a car crash, just like in the bible.

[Chip]

Obama obviously believes in the sanctity of life as long as the babies are born dead, otherwise they need to be put in a closet like in teh bible.

[Kosmo]

Chip, are you even reading my posts? I SAID I didn't want to force churches to do anything. The only people I'm for forcing to do anything are civil employees who are empowered to perform marriages, like judges, justices of the peace, etc.

And sexual orientation is NOT based on behavior. It is based on a fundamental part of person's identity. By your definition, nuns are not heterosexual. And science has shown that sexual identity is as genetic as having red hair or being able to pitch a baseball fast. So it IS a fair comparison to race.

To claim that sexuality is ONLY defined by behavior is simply uninformed. I can go to a bar mitzvah, but that does not make me Jewish.

You say you are not opposed to people having the same rights. Well, the word "marriage" is one of those rights. Calling it something different MAKES it something different. I am not a second class citizen.

And Mitt Romney is a member of a church which a) believes American Indians are Jews (seriously) and, b) until 1979, disallowed blacks in any position of importance. However, I would have vastly preferred him to Caribou Barbie.

[Katie]

Personally I believe the government should stay out of marriage period. Separation of church and state. Furthermore marriage is a commitment to each other. This happens in nature all the time. Swans make a commitment to each other for life, they are mates for life. It also happens in nature that sometimes same sex animals make commitments to each other. The Christian faith is not the only one that believes in marriage, or making a commitment to one another. I think the government should stay out of it, because by saying that same sex marriage is wrong, they are forcing their own personal Christian beliefs upon society, and in which all of society obviously does not believe the same thing. Gays have the right to make a commitment to each other, under whatever belief system they have. And yes Chip, by Palin saying she is against same sex marriage, that to me is saying she is forcing her personal beliefs into law. Not everyone has these beliefs. I'm not saying the government should force every church in America to allow gay marriage. I'm saying that it should be up to the individual churches or whatever other place of worship or lack there of to decide if they want to allow gay couples to make a commitment to each other. Furthermore, some Christian beliefs have already approved same sex marriage. I know Lutheran churches have been known to approve this, and also allow gay pastors. Obviously not everyone agrees about this, but by the government saying no, they are bringing their church into law and forcing it on millions who may not believe the same thing.

[Angus McFeargus]

Chip:

Note to Alaric and Angus: Note please how Chip and I are disgreeing completely with each other without resorting to personal attacks!! Cool, huh?

/boggle

You have no idea what a personal attack is, do you? :P

[OmegaBob]

Remember what I said eariler: any true gamer would not vote for Clinton and her anti-video gaming censorship. Thank goodness she got the boot.

Sadly, that lame dude that was on Alf is now part of the McCain camp. If he was picked to be veep, then I would be forced to vote for Nader. Still, I'd rather have him behind the scenes rather than the head cheerleader.

[Kosmo]

Katie,

Once again, the battle is not to have churches forced into performaing marriages!!! Why does everyone insist that this is the argument! The laws in Massachusets and California say NOTHING about churches. NOTHING. The fight is to have access to LEGAL marriage. The marriage certificate. The legal rights. Nothing to do with churches!! Hello? This thing on?!? :)

Angus, I think being called a troll is a personal attack, yes.

"Free Katie!!"

[Katie]

Katie,

Once again, the battle is not to have churches forced into performaing marriages!!! Why does everyone insist that this is the argument! The laws in Massachusets and California say NOTHING about churches. NOTHING. The fight is to have access to LEGAL marriage. The marriage certificate. The legal rights. Nothing to do with churches!! Hello? This thing on?!? :)

Angus, I think being called a troll is a personal attack, yes.

"Free Katie!!"

I was merely agreeing with you Kosmo that churches aren't being forced to do anything. That the whole point is two people of the same sex can make a commitment. And what am I being freed from?

[Angus McFeargus]

I said you were trolling, but I did not call you a troll. Yes, there is a difference. :) If any impartial audience were to read your OP, I'd say odds are they'd agree that's what you were doing. You did not enter this "discussion" with anything resembling an open mind. You clearly stated your unswerving bias and preemptively insulted anyone who could possibly DARE to disagree with you.

Would it have been less offensive to you had I said you were "flamebaiting"?

[Chip]

Kosmo, I never said you did. I guess at this point it is safe to say that on the issue of same sex marrage that you and I differ, not greatly but enough.

yes Chip, by Palin saying she is against same sex marriage, that to me is saying she is forcing her personal beliefs into law.

I'm sorry but I really can't even begin to point out how really wrong this is. So, she can have no personal opinions that run counter to what others believe? or is it that you believe that her opinions will become law? where is a personal belief of a politition forced? Laws still have to go through the House and Senate before a President signs it into law.

As far as the topic, I like Palin. I like her stance on many issues, although not all, and that she can juggle both having a family and having a demanding job and excell at both. Frankly from what I have read people saying about her and you should be ashamed of some of the filth. She should be appauded for what she has accomplished, not demonized. She was a good choice and has more experience that Obama.

[Lord Norgoth]

I'm sorry but I really can't even begin to point out how really wrong this is. So, she can have no personal opinions that run counter to what others believe? or is it that you believe that her opinions will become law?

In my opinion, the problem is that the potential VP (and thus possibly the president) publicly admits that in her opinion some groups in society, in this case gay people, are unequal to others: she is denying a certain group the right to marriage. It's her opinion allright, but the president (and the VP as well) should be a leader for all groups in society, not only for the group that chooses the same way of life or appreciates the same moral values. That said, I still think everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, but in this kind of public capacities, one should not publicly value certain ways of life over others in a country as diverse in nature as the US of A.

[Kosmo]

Sorry, Katie, it's a popular T shirt in New York, referring to Ms. Holmes. :)